S3: And he would give us a note and we would look at each other and he’d be like, What just happened there? What did you do? Because we would be like communicating wordlessly. And being a little open about it, actually, I think sort of helped us sort of grow the way we work. And that actually ended up sort of like feeding back on itself and helping our process that like when we were stuck with something, we would go back to the things that we told students about how we worked and we were like, Oh yeah, there are things that we can rely on and sort of tips and tricks and that we do have a process. And I think that was a really a real opening up for us that we sort of learned how to define our work and talk about our work through teaching. And we realized that it was more about the values of creation sometimes than like a specific method. And then actually, when we started teaching more and sort of teaching students the values of collaboration, and we had to sort of like articulate what we do and why. And so I think that we ended up sort of being really, really crazy to a fault secretive about what we did. ![]() Thing of being like is this is the way that we do a good enough. Or, you know, there’s always imposter syndrome. And I think it felt like very special and homemade, and I think we were a little bit scared of if we talked about it. And then when we started working with Oliver Butler, the third member of our theater company, we sort of developed this way of working. And I think also when Tenet said we were figuring it out, we started out very intuitive and then we just sort of followed that for so long. So could you talk a little bit about that, about sort of the private element of it and why keeping it a secret has kind of been important to you? A certain amount of privacy and secrecy and protectiveness around your process was actually part of your process. But one reason why why that’s true is actually, I feel like they’re for a period of time anyway. I haven’t known about it, so this will be fun. But as I was preparing for this interview, I realized I know like nothing about your process somehow in that quarter of a century. My wife is currently on the board of your theater company. I’ve been on the board of your theater company. Sorry, I didn’t mean to didn’t mean to erase you, Hannah. S2: I was also in a bright room yesterday. Paul, you were in a bright room called Day. Like sometimes I do interview people I know, but I’ve never interviewed people I’ve known for 25 years before you. S4: think we should probably let the listeners know. ![]() And I just wanted to learn more about, you know, what was that process like? And also, it’s like a really beautiful and special show, and it was written specifically for the lead for Bridget Everett. It’s about life in Manhattan, Kansas, and I’ve never known someone who’s written an HBO show before. S4: Well, Hannah and Paul created and were the showrunners of the recent HBO show Somebody Somewhere, which I don’t know if you’ve seen it’s a really beautiful show. So why did you want to speak with them right now? The first semester of my freshman year and I’ve I’ve actually been, you know, friendly with them ever since. And I guess full disclosure this can be slightly different than normal working episode because I’ve actually known them a long time. They’re incredibly great actors and writers. S4: June we heard the voices of Hanna Bos and Paul Thureen. S1: Isaac, whose voices did we hear at the top of the show? S4: and I’m your other host, Isaac Butler
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